tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post2945045587748994194..comments2024-03-24T06:12:51.173-05:00Comments on jobsanger: Criticism Of The Right Is Well-DeservedTed McLaughlinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-54223980229130924232011-01-17T16:49:02.902-06:002011-01-17T16:49:02.902-06:00I was referring to Fuller throughout that entire c...I was referring to Fuller throughout that entire comment; I thought that was clear. But to elucidate further:<br /><br />"But do you think the incessant vitriol on the Left directed against Palin and the Tea Party might have been a factor in sending <b>him</b> [Fuller - not Loughner] over the top on <b>Saturday</b> [January 15, 2011 - not January 8, 2011]?"Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-39004907278568638962011-01-17T12:33:52.383-06:002011-01-17T12:33:52.383-06:00Why should I prove anything? It was you who prov...Why should I prove anything? It was you who provided the comment that Loughner was sent over the top by "the incessant vitriol on the left against Palin and the Tea Party."Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-38568258457597892322011-01-17T12:18:43.637-06:002011-01-17T12:18:43.637-06:00If you can:
1) provide evidence that Loughner &q...If you can:<br /><br />1) provide evidence that Loughner "worked hard to elect" a Tea Party candidate (or even a mainstream Republican candidate); and <br /><br />2) in the course of that political activism developed the same kind of hatred for Democrats that Fuller expressed for Republicans in his Democracy Now! interview; then<br /><br />3) I'd be glad to "admit" that Loughner was an "angry right-winger."Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-63215663451789229822011-01-16T21:30:08.883-06:002011-01-16T21:30:08.883-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-4284432414122848042011-01-16T21:29:51.501-06:002011-01-16T21:29:51.501-06:00Are you now admitting that Loughner was an angry r...Are you now admitting that Loughner was an angry right-winger, CT?Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-50516168075465093612011-01-16T20:00:12.104-06:002011-01-16T20:00:12.104-06:00Here's a link to the transcript of an intervie...Here's a link to the <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/14/tucson_shooting_survivor_it_looks_like" rel="nofollow">transcript</a> of an interview of Fuller on Democracy Now!, a left-wing radio show carried on over 900 radio stations. The interview aired on Friday, after the shooting but before the death threat against Humphries.<br /><br />Here's an interesting quote from Fuller:<br /><br />"And the first thing that I wrote down and what my reaction was to it was: 'How many other people? How many other demented people are out there? <b>It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target.</b> Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled—senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even nine-year-old girls.'" [Emphasis added]<br /><br />And later in the interview:<br /><br />"I worked hard to elect Gabrielle Giffords."<br /><br />Maybe he's not a liberal; Rep. Giffords is a moderate Democrat, so he could have worked hard to elect her because he's moderate or independent. <br /><br />But do you think the incessant vitriol on the Left directed against Palin and the Tea Party might have been a factor in sending him over the top on Saturday?Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-18848807398933963472011-01-16T14:13:33.193-06:002011-01-16T14:13:33.193-06:00While I understand Fuller's anger, his threat ...While I understand Fuller's anger, his threat was over the line and appropriate action was taken (and he's not a liberal or leftist leader).<br /><br />And I don't remember ever saying violent rhetoric on the left is justified.Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-38264890393971312392011-01-16T13:57:14.881-06:002011-01-16T13:57:14.881-06:00Like this made conservatives smile?
If "viol...Like <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lm2JI7sGwYI/TS-qKMxlapI/AAAAAAAAL8Y/1oNR5NEfhC0/s400/liberal" rel="nofollow">this</a> made conservatives smile?<br /><br />If "violent rhetoric" (whatever that is) makes for a more dangerous environment, shouldn't both sides restrain themselves?<br /><br />If the Right-Wing can be linked to gun violence, doesn't that on a certain level justify <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41094534/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/" rel="nofollow">Eric Fuller's death threat against Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries</a> in order to stop them before they strike again?Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-27728674000545452512011-01-16T13:04:00.270-06:002011-01-16T13:04:00.270-06:00No, that's not "wild speculation". ...No, that's not "wild speculation". It's a cartoon. It's not meant to be "evidence" or "proof" -- just to make a person smile.<br /><br />And just because I have no respect for World Net Daily doesn't mean I consider all conservatives to be evil (or all liberals virtuous). You've read this blog long enough to know there are some conservatives that I respect, even though I disagree with them on many political points.Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-44811999385425477932011-01-16T12:37:54.102-06:002011-01-16T12:37:54.102-06:00"I can't believe you're using wild sp..."I can't believe you're using wild speculation from a source as questionable as World Net Daily as proof! That's not even close to evidence."<br /><br />Translation: Conservatives are evil; liberals are virtuous.<br /><br /><br />You asked for evidence, not proof.<br /><br />What did you expect, signed confessions from Ayers and Obama?<br /><br />One man's "wild speculation" is another man's "circumstantial evidence." <br /><br />Jack Cashill (PhD, American Studies, Perdue University) is the author of "Hoodwinked: How Intellectual Hucksters Have Hijacked American Culture," a book that takes an historical look at fraud within academia. <br /><br />Here are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hoodwinked-Intellectual-Hucksters-Hijacked-American/dp/1595550119" rel="nofollow">some reviews of his book</a>. <br /><br />One of the most scathing critiques is written by "S.K. Shuttleworth" (listed as his "real name"), who himself claims to hold a PhD in American Studies. Yet a quick Google search reveals numerous amazon.com reviews written by "S.K.Shuttleworth" - and virtually nothing else. Methinks the good "doctor" doth protest too much. Perhaps "Hoodwinked" hit a little too close to home.<br /><br />If World Net Daily and Thomas Nelson, Inc. doesn't establish Cashill's bona fides, how about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cashill" rel="nofollow">Fortune, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal</a>?<br /><br />I'm not saying what Cashill provides is proof positive, and I'm not necessarily convinced it's true, but "wild speculation"?<br /><br /><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lm2JI7sGwYI/TS_XU1x-cvI/AAAAAAAAL8s/t0Ezh9Qu8u8/s1600/hate+speech.jpg" rel="nofollow">This</a> is "wild speculation."Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-70515288319379865502011-01-16T00:13:51.330-06:002011-01-16T00:13:51.330-06:00I can't believe you're using wild speculat...I can't believe you're using wild speculation from a source as questionable as World Net Daily as proof! That's not even close to evidence.Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-16602030295396494322011-01-15T23:10:38.643-06:002011-01-15T23:10:38.643-06:00Q: Where is the evidence that Ayers wrote anythin...Q: Where is the evidence that Ayers wrote anything for President Obama?<br /><br />A: "Did Bill Ayers Write Obama’s 'Dreams'?" by Jack Cashill, PhD<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm" rel="nofollow">Part 1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_2.htm" rel="nofollow">Part 2</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_3.htm" rel="nofollow">Part 3</a>Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-3309022362670975562011-01-15T17:37:37.901-06:002011-01-15T17:37:37.901-06:00Where is the evidence that Ayers wrote anything fo...Where is the evidence that Ayers wrote anything for President Obama?Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-82066880323436220892011-01-15T16:43:56.264-06:002011-01-15T16:43:56.264-06:00Bill Ayers, ghost writer for Barack Obama's fi...Bill Ayers, ghost writer for Barack Obama's first book was a member of the Weather Underground. It was their stated policy to murder 25 million Americans, to encourage the others.Don Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057058763094040058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-42404311216179196412011-01-14T22:41:10.183-06:002011-01-14T22:41:10.183-06:00Sigh...I was responding to Yellow Dog Granny's...Sigh...I was responding to Yellow Dog Granny's assertion that "<b><i>no one</i></b> was treating [sic] to kill him."<br /><br /><br />"... if we can't start anew from this point forward, then there's no hope of ever healing the wounds."<br /><br />Curious Texan<br />1/14/2011 9:37 PM<br /><br /><br />You win, Ted. Conservatives are evil; liberals are virtuous.<br /><br />I guess there's no hope of ever getting past this. We're never going to make any progress in finding common ground about breaking the cycle of violence if it always has to be framed in Left v. Right. If scoring political points is so central to this topic, if it always has to be a zero sum game, then I guess I'll have to politely bow out of this discussion. <br /><br />(BTW, for anyone reading this thread, those deleted comments were mine - not because Ted had to censor me, but because I inadvertently posted the same comment numerous times.)Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-39309643324834602782011-01-14T21:54:09.683-06:002011-01-14T21:54:09.683-06:00CT-
I checked out your links, and I didn't see...CT-<br />I checked out your links, and I didn't see where it said these people were leftists or made their threats because of political reasons. And none of them could be considered as leaders by any stretch of the imagination.Ted McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035498835671628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-31303472597398610782011-01-14T21:39:06.647-06:002011-01-14T21:39:06.647-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-26690306366207258812011-01-14T21:37:30.382-06:002011-01-14T21:37:30.382-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-64693082000902478862011-01-14T21:37:23.770-06:002011-01-14T21:37:23.770-06:00"..during 8 years of bush no one was treating..."..during 8 years of bush no one was treating to kill him. kick his ass...maybe..kill him? no"<br /><br /><br />Check out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#George_W._Bush" rel="nofollow">this</a>;<br /><br />and <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2848993920080128" rel="nofollow">this</a>; <br /><br />and <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_48ncxszdHX8lnzQzlwhOEO;jsessionid=91496D019F215B35F935A17E277EFB13" rel="nofollow">this</a>; <br /><br />and <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/13/bush.threat.arrest/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" rel="nofollow">this</a>;<br /><br />and <a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/251175/Man_Arrested_For_Telling_His_Girlfriend_He_Was_Going_To_Kill_Bush" rel="nofollow">this</a>.<br /><br />I could go on, but it serves no earthly purpose, other than to force you to find other examples of how violent the Right is.<br /><br />I'm not asking you to equate the violent rhetoric of the Left with that of the Right. All I'm asking you to do is admit that left-wing violent rhetoric does exist, and that it's dangerous, too. <br /><br />Assuming <i>arguendo</i> that there's 10 times as much violent rhetoric on the Right as there is on the Left, does that make the left-wing vitriol any less dangerous?<br /><br />In his speech in Tucson, President Obama said, "[I]t's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds."<br /><br />Over the last 18 years, I've seen the rhetoric get coarser and coarser, more and more violent: first against Clinton, then against Bush, now against Obama. How can we break this cycle? By demonizing the other side? All that does is engender more vitriol.<br /><br />I for one am sick to death of the demonizing on both sides. I'm willing to denounce it regardless of whether it comes from the Left or the Right.<br /><br />I'm also willing to acknowledge that the vast majority of the people on the opposite side of the political spectrum want the best for this country. I may vehemently disagree with their policies and think that those policies will ultimately hurt the country, but I don't think their intent is evil - just wrong-headed.<br /><br />How about you? Are you ready to break the cycle, because ultimately you're the only person whose rhetoric you can control.<br /><br />If we can't disagree without being disagreeable, if we can't start anew from this point forward, then there's no hope of ever healing the wounds.Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-79540197192700640722011-01-14T16:40:23.963-06:002011-01-14T16:40:23.963-06:00oh that's bullshit..the odds of there being mo...oh that's bullshit..the odds of there being more crazy violent left wingers than right wingers is just bull shit..during 8 years of bush no one was treating to kill him. kick his ass...maybe..kill him? no.yellowdoggrannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14906624317290990109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24213446.post-17140541118064637652011-01-14T12:57:16.235-06:002011-01-14T12:57:16.235-06:00"They would have us think that this kind of r..."They would have us think that this kind of rhetoric happens equally on the left and right. Not true! It is much more common on the right. . ."<br /><br />Here's an interesting <a href="http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1548" rel="nofollow">Quinnipiac University survey</a> that seems to refute that:<br /><br />"American voters say 52 - 41 percent that "heated political rhetoric drives unstable people to commit violence," the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. <i><b>Liberals rather than conservatives are more responsible for such rhetoric, voters say 36 - 32 percent</b></i>. [Emphasis added]<br /><br />"The left may be passionate in its beliefs, but they are not calling for the assassination of anyone on the right. . . "<br /><br /><a href="http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=assassinate+bush+signs&cp=16&wrapid=tljp129503086157230&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1259&bih=818" rel="nofollow">Really?</a><br /><br /><br />"...and there are no left-wingers carrying out acts of violence."<br /><br />Ted Kaczynski? Joe Stack? James Lee? (I'm sure there are others, but I don't have the time to search for more on the Internet; my lunch hour ends in 4 minutes.)Curious Texanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236663132181855501noreply@blogger.com